tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3694316236173314997.post7322207905529644259..comments2023-03-05T15:54:56.474+00:00Comments on REALITY and ILLUSION: The Horrors of the Old Testament Sakib Ahmadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09684519231128535788noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3694316236173314997.post-19118192309900781262015-09-14T23:35:25.703+01:002015-09-14T23:35:25.703+01:00Dear okmich,
Do you not see that using a distorte...Dear okmich,<br /><br />Do you not see that using a distorted translation of the Quran by anonymous people is wrong? My advice to you is never to use a translation if you do not know the name of the translator. It is almost certainly misleading and there is a hidden agenda behind it. <br /><br />You did NOT quote any verse of the Quran, you simply referred to some verses and dropped dark hints about them. I quoted a couple of verses to point out how wrong you were. Be honest please.<br /><br />In relation to OT "porn" you keep talking about "context" but do not explain what that context is. For example, explain the "context" of this mass murder of male children and older women that Moses ordered:<br /><br />"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.<br />But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."<br /><br />I do think the Bible is incapable of defending itself. It is the priest class that has indoctrinated people to such an extent that they become incapable of protesting against the porn and violence to be found in the pages of the Bible.<br /><br /><br />Sakib Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684519231128535788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3694316236173314997.post-84722879878901812272015-09-14T22:36:13.838+01:002015-09-14T22:36:13.838+01:00I consider this a quick display of defense for the...I consider this a quick display of defense for the Koran.<br />I have different site that all say the same thing for the Koran but you fault their translation.... so Boko Haram is using a faulty translation too?<br /><br />You openly without much context application fault and condemn the OT but I call out just a few verses of the Koran and you are all so defensive? <br /><br />Doesn't that show the bias I always talked about?<br /><br />Don't defend the Koran just as I don't defend the bible... let them defend themselves.okmichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12484964024951173752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3694316236173314997.post-45830742117053336932015-09-14T20:47:47.003+01:002015-09-14T20:47:47.003+01:00Hi okmich.
Your comments on the Quran are odd. Yo...Hi okmich.<br /><br />Your comments on the Quran are odd. You must have read a parody of the Quran, a fraudulent translation by the Jew Dawood, perhaps? Please always quote from an authentic translation. For example, the ones mentioned in the following blog, which also gives you a link to an authentic online Quranic translation. Please check your (mis)understanding of Quranic verses against this online version.<br /><br />http://sakibahmad.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/translations-of-quran.html<br /><br />You appear to object to some passages of the Quran but you have not quoted the text. Let me enlighten you:<br /><br />(2:190) Fight in the cause of Allah those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression. Behold, Allah loves not aggressors.<br /><br />What is your objection? This verse alone shows that ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Boko Haram/Al Shabab are anti-Quranic monsters. In fact, they are financed, trained and armed by CIA, whose prized assets they are.<br /><br />(2:191) (but if they keep on fighting) Subdue them wherever you find them. And drive them out from where they have driven you out. For, oppression, cruelty and persecution are even more destructive than the killing in battle. ......<br /><br />That's plain common sense. I do not know what you are objecting to. Similar comments apply to the other passages you mention. Please use an authentic translation used by Muslims, not a fraudulent one put together by Islam-hating Jews and Christians.<br /><br />Popular Islam, that is, the "religion" based on sources outside the Quran, has been influenced by Zoroastrianism, Judaism and Christianity through the trickery of spreading false stories about Messenger Muhammad long after he had died. These stories were collected by men who came from the erstwhile Persian empire and published them some 250-300 years after the death of Allah's Messenger in 'Hadith' collections. These books are the main source of popular Islam. Unless these books are cleaned up, true Islam will remain buried in the Quran, the Word of God which cannot be changed.<br /><br />I have to say you show little understanding of what Islam is. Please read the following blog, which contains links to two further blogs in the penultimate paragraph. These three pieces will give you a good idea of what Islam really is.<br /><br />http://sakibahmad.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/islam-misrepresented-and-misunderstood.html<br /><br />I am not sure what you mean by "misplacing context". Porn is porn in any context. It is particularly revolting when it shows up in Hadith books or in Jewish/Christian scriptures. The licentiousness and incestuous conduct of Old Testament prophets stands in stark contrast with the nobility of Messengers in the Quran. In my opinion, the "horrors" of the Old Testament are so gross and repellant that they must be thrown out of the books as unsuitable material.<br />Sakib Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684519231128535788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3694316236173314997.post-55512764714036944382015-09-14T01:52:31.020+01:002015-09-14T01:52:31.020+01:00Hello Sakib,
Thanks for the reply.
I will point o...Hello Sakib,<br /><br />Thanks for the reply.<br />I will point out two broad points:<br /><br />1. You make the mistake of misplacing context. If the bible or some historical book tells you what Lot did with his daughters, that does not translate to a command or pattern to follow. Yes, many people could naively do such, but it calls for interpretation and teachings. The bible must be seen in its contextual, allegorical, historical or even Spiritual views before you judge that passage. Most of the passage you cited were simply out of context and that is what I termed Ignorance.<br /><br />2. What would you say about the Koran in chapter 2:191, 8:12, 9:14 .... as many other verses that urges Muslims to kill the infidels. Have you never read them? The literal interpretation of these passages are the biggest influence of today's terror groups like Boko Haram, Al Shabaab and Al Qaeda. They get their instruction from the Koran... but to my surprise you act like they never existed.<br /><br />Sincerely, Judaism is the biggest influence of Islam and Christianity and Islam inherited a lot of its death sentences from it. The OT is just a portion of Judaism and therefore citing the horrors of the Old testament without looking inwards in Islam is plain bias.<br /><br />Lastly, I don't agree that these text should be removed from any of the books. We don't throw history out of the windows because it doesn't suit today's philosopy. Instead, we must teach one another from scripture as to the truth. My reading the Koran strengthened my faith in the bible and all these happened by simply reading the book and drawing truth objectively come them.<br /><br />I find many Muslims wanting because they read more teaching manuals than the Koran itself. Some of doctors of the hadith and its many interpretations but have read through the Koran even once.<br /><br />Thanksokmichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12484964024951173752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3694316236173314997.post-89787267356694511932015-09-13T22:51:10.863+01:002015-09-13T22:51:10.863+01:00Hello okmich.
I am afraid I do not follow what yo...Hello okmich.<br /><br />I am afraid I do not follow what you are getting at. The quotes I have given come straight out of the Bible. Do correct me if I have made a mistake.<br /><br />These "horrors" are not to be found in the Quran though you seem to be implying otherwise. Can you provide examples, please? I hope you will avoid using a false translation of the Quran, put together by hate-filled Jews and Christians.<br /><br />A lot of Muslims have been misled by abominable stories spread by Jews/Christians/Zoroastrians/lecherous Muslim kings which defy Quranic injunctions and purport to come from the man who brought the Quran! These stories were collected some 250-300 years after the death of Messenger Muhammad. Among them you will find shameful stories of the sort found in the Old Testament of the Bible.<br /><br />I do think that both the Christians and the Muslims ought to knock all such stories out of their religious texts. They are totally unsuitable for family reading and appeal only to morally corrupt people.Sakib Ahmadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09684519231128535788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3694316236173314997.post-39613639008962416952015-09-13T16:43:38.580+01:002015-09-13T16:43:38.580+01:00First, I am appalled by your ignorant knowledge or...First, I am appalled by your ignorant knowledge or rather confident mis-appropriation of biblical text.<br />First of all, I am a Christian who in turn have read texts of the Koran (lots of them). So when I see you bias application of context or words, I marvel. Probably, it is a quest to say - we are better than you. I don't really care about that because the Koran in itself points to the truth - I can state that as a fact.<br />From Lot to Jewish traditions to today, it is hard to take you serious unless you really want me to - I would rather have preferred a debate but I don't know how possible that is.<br /><br />I say the last sentence because space would be insufficient if I need to straighten out your citations of OT scripture and worse still... if I marry them against similar portions of the Koran... something that could help you see your bias more clearly.okmichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12484964024951173752noreply@blogger.com