Tuesday, July 28, 2015

The Horrors of the Old Testament

It is hardly possible nowadays to surf the internet without bumping into brainwashed, ignorant people who try to humiliate Muslims by attacking Islam and the greatest man who ever walked on earth, Muhammad, the Messenger of God. Quite recently, I came across a lady twittering the praises of Christianity and belittling Islam. It was obvious that she knew little about Islam and her knowledge of Christian scriptures was limited. This blog is a riposte to such complacent people unaware of their own scriptures.

My stock response to such ignorant attacks is to provide links to three of my most popular blogs about Quran/Islam, which I did:
The versions of the Bible that the various Christian sects follow differ widely. Generally, the version that the Protestant Christians in western Europe and North America follow is made up of two parts: The Old Testament (OT), which has 39 books, and The New Testament (NT) which has 27 books. The OT is also broadly accepted by the Jews as a part of their holy scriptures while the NT, being a collection of writings attributed to Christ's disciples and other followers, is not. 
I have set out numerous extracts from the OT below. Christians and Jews may be offended and they may see this as an attack on their religion. It is nothing of the sort. I have made similar comments about what passes for "Hadith" in Islam. My view is that God has given us a mind and power of thought, which the Quran tells us we must apply to all things. Blind belief is an insult to human intelligence.

Extracts from the Old Testament (King James version - 39 books)

Book 1 Genesis

While the Quran refers to all Messengers as exalted men of impeccable character, they come across as licentious men in the OT.
"[Lot said to his people] Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes." Gang rape is OK?
For a crude description of Lot's incest with his daughters, refer to the original. This blog is not the right place.
Abraham openly committed incest with his half-sister: "And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."
Jacob married two sisters. He also committed incest with his daughter-in-law. He wrestled with God most of the night:
"And he [God] said, let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me."
Jacob's son followed his father's footsteps when it came to licentiousness:
"...., that Reuben went and lay with Bilah his father's concubine: "
God slew Onan, not for incest with his brother's wife but for spilling his seed outside her!
"And Onan ..., when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother."
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Book 2 Exodus

ARAM married his aunt (father's sister) ... "and she bare him Aaron and Moses"!
"... whosoever doth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death." Death penalty for working on "wrong" day!

Book 3 Leviticus 

"And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death"
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death." Death penalty for homosexuality, no gay rights!
For good measure, OT goes on to mention bestiality, resulting in the deaths of man, woman and beasts!
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."
Death for apostasy: "Bring forth him that hath cursed [the Lord] without the camp; ... and let all the congregation stone him"
If the Lord became furious with people's disobedience: "And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat."
The Quran, by contrast, does not invoke the death penalty for any of these acts and Allah does not turn people into cannibals. The punishments of the OT are thought to have been introduced among the Muslims by Jews and Christians through the deceitful practice of infiltrating "Hadith" stories with false ones which mimic Biblical savagery.

Book 4 Numbers

Death by stoning if you work on the sabbath: "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."

Was Moses as bad as Pharaoh? Or worse?
"And they warred against the Midianites, ... and they slew all the males. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones,...
And they burnt all their cities .....
And Moses said unto them, have ye saved all the women alive?
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

All this filth comes from just the first four books of the OT, which has 39 books altogether. These and other sickening topics are repeated again and again in books 5 to 39 in stark pornographic detail. For example, book 5 Deuteronomy, describes in lurid detail what happens to a bride who cannot provide bloodied tokens of her virginity the following morning: 

"Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die"

David and his sons come across as lechers, insane with blood lust. And "God" can only be described as a figure of fun, a vengeful, jealous voyeur.

The deluge of filth continues in later books of the OT

OT 10 The Book of Samuel 2 describes in sordid detail how David tortured and killed his enemies. He also hated disabled people: "And David said on that day, ..and the lame and the blind that are hated of David's soul, .."
"And David took him more concubines and wives out of Jerusalem."
Then there was Bathsheba, married to Uriah, who David first saw from the roof of the king's house as she washed herself, and was smitten by her beauty. "And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her". Then, when she became pregnant with David's child Soloman, David sent her husband to "the forefront of the hottest battle, ...that he may be smitten and die". And that is exactly what happened, and left David free to marry Bathsheba!
"Thus saith the LORD, Behold, ...and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun"! What kind of beast is this "God"?
Amnon, son of David, distinguished himself by raping his own sister (refer to the original for sordid details). Another son of David, Absalom, committed incest with his father's women: ".. and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.

OT 11 The Book of Kings 1

Solomon was even more extreme - if you can imagine that - than his extremist father!
"But king Solomon loved many strange women ...... And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines". Wow!
OT 12 The Book of Kings 2 borders on insanity. A chariot of fire, and horses of fire, appeared and Prophet Elijah "went up by a whirlwind into heaven"! But the dead Elijah's spirit descended upon Elisha. Little children who mocked this "bald head" were cursed by him in the name of the LORD whereupon "there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children". Then Elisha brought back to life one dead child!
"Elisha prayed unto the LORD ..., smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha."
"... This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him"!
"But Rabshakeh said unto them, hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung and drink their own piss with you?"
Does any of this sound remotely "holy"?
Inexplicably, both Solomon and David are referred to as sons of God. 
OT 13 The Book of Chronicles 1: "... Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts; for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father."
In OT 19 The Book of Psalms, God begets David:
".. Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee."
Then there is OT 22 Song of Songs. The song is attributed to Solomon and describes the pleasures of unrestrained lust. Embarrassed Christians have unsuccessfully tried to have this "abomination" expunged from the Bible.
Over the remaining 17 OT books it gets worse. For example, in OT 24 The Book of Jeremiah, we have descriptions of people burning their own children alive and God-created cannibalism: "And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters." In later books the recurring themes of adultery, incest, massacres, whoredom, cannibalism continue to be mentioned in lurid, obscene terms. In addition, there are strange references to "God" practising deception, referring to some women as his, who "bare sons and daughters". Then "God" is crushed and devoured by Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, and acts like the worst sort of human tyrant by going into uncontrollable rage and committing evil deeds on people (sending famine, evil beasts, etc). Would any sane person want to worship the "God" as described in the OT?

How the evil in the OT has affected those who treat it as "holy"

A year ago the Jews of Israel mercilessly massacred over 500 children in Gaza and devastated the land and infrastructure. Altogether, over 2,200 men, women and children died, and hundreds of thousands are still homeless. Perhaps we should not be surprised. People who believe in a book like the OT are quite capable of committing such atrocities without feeling remorse at their vile actions.
What applies to Jewish believers of the Old Testament also applies to the Christian followers in western governments. Over the past decade, the number of Muslim lives that the US/NATO monster has destroyed in Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria/Libya/Pakistan exceeds 2 millions. Though a majority of population in the West professes to be agnostic or atheist, western culture is heavily influenced by Christian scriptures and traditions. 
Apart from direct assaults by their armed forces, the US/Nato/Israel monolith has spawned a number of terrorist outfits - ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, Pak Taliban, etc - to wreak mayhem in the aforementioned Muslim countries and create conditions of civil war, which then serve as an excuse to intervene and take control of the countries. If the OT continues to be regarded as sacred or holy then I see little improvement in the wanton killings and destruction by US/NATO/Israel. 

The sleep-walking Muslims

Indeed, this culture of unbridled violence has become so infectious that Muslim states of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf, armed to the hilt with weapons supplied by the West, have ganged up to attack Muslim Yemen, one of the poorest countries in the world. Then there is the enigma of Turkey, a Muslim country that is also a NATO member, which is being cleverly used by its fellow NATO members to serve their interests by attacking Muslims who do not conform to Turkey's majority sunni sects.
Muslims are being cleverly manipulated to commit suicide through sectarian warfare. Syria, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan are utterly destroyed. Only Pakistan has been saved from that ignoble fate by the cohesion of its powerful armed forces.
The US/NATO governments, and their servile media, invariably use the term "terrorism" as euphemism for violent acts committed by Muslims, who are then described as "terrorists". No matter how many people are killed by a Jew or a Christian, the terms "terrorism" or "terrorist" are never applied. By means of such disgraceful psychological techniques a majority of people in the West has come to see Islam/Muslims as the arch enemies, much as the communist countries behind the "Iron Curtain" were once.
When will the Muslims wake up from their slumbers and recognise the depth of degradation to which they have sunk?


okmich said...

First, I am appalled by your ignorant knowledge or rather confident mis-appropriation of biblical text.
First of all, I am a Christian who in turn have read texts of the Koran (lots of them). So when I see you bias application of context or words, I marvel. Probably, it is a quest to say - we are better than you. I don't really care about that because the Koran in itself points to the truth - I can state that as a fact.
From Lot to Jewish traditions to today, it is hard to take you serious unless you really want me to - I would rather have preferred a debate but I don't know how possible that is.

I say the last sentence because space would be insufficient if I need to straighten out your citations of OT scripture and worse still... if I marry them against similar portions of the Koran... something that could help you see your bias more clearly.

Sakib Ahmad said...

Hello okmich.

I am afraid I do not follow what you are getting at. The quotes I have given come straight out of the Bible. Do correct me if I have made a mistake.

These "horrors" are not to be found in the Quran though you seem to be implying otherwise. Can you provide examples, please? I hope you will avoid using a false translation of the Quran, put together by hate-filled Jews and Christians.

A lot of Muslims have been misled by abominable stories spread by Jews/Christians/Zoroastrians/lecherous Muslim kings which defy Quranic injunctions and purport to come from the man who brought the Quran! These stories were collected some 250-300 years after the death of Messenger Muhammad. Among them you will find shameful stories of the sort found in the Old Testament of the Bible.

I do think that both the Christians and the Muslims ought to knock all such stories out of their religious texts. They are totally unsuitable for family reading and appeal only to morally corrupt people.

okmich said...

Hello Sakib,

Thanks for the reply.
I will point out two broad points:

1. You make the mistake of misplacing context. If the bible or some historical book tells you what Lot did with his daughters, that does not translate to a command or pattern to follow. Yes, many people could naively do such, but it calls for interpretation and teachings. The bible must be seen in its contextual, allegorical, historical or even Spiritual views before you judge that passage. Most of the passage you cited were simply out of context and that is what I termed Ignorance.

2. What would you say about the Koran in chapter 2:191, 8:12, 9:14 .... as many other verses that urges Muslims to kill the infidels. Have you never read them? The literal interpretation of these passages are the biggest influence of today's terror groups like Boko Haram, Al Shabaab and Al Qaeda. They get their instruction from the Koran... but to my surprise you act like they never existed.

Sincerely, Judaism is the biggest influence of Islam and Christianity and Islam inherited a lot of its death sentences from it. The OT is just a portion of Judaism and therefore citing the horrors of the Old testament without looking inwards in Islam is plain bias.

Lastly, I don't agree that these text should be removed from any of the books. We don't throw history out of the windows because it doesn't suit today's philosopy. Instead, we must teach one another from scripture as to the truth. My reading the Koran strengthened my faith in the bible and all these happened by simply reading the book and drawing truth objectively come them.

I find many Muslims wanting because they read more teaching manuals than the Koran itself. Some of doctors of the hadith and its many interpretations but have read through the Koran even once.


Sakib Ahmad said...

Hi okmich.

Your comments on the Quran are odd. You must have read a parody of the Quran, a fraudulent translation by the Jew Dawood, perhaps? Please always quote from an authentic translation. For example, the ones mentioned in the following blog, which also gives you a link to an authentic online Quranic translation. Please check your (mis)understanding of Quranic verses against this online version.

You appear to object to some passages of the Quran but you have not quoted the text. Let me enlighten you:

(2:190) Fight in the cause of Allah those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression. Behold, Allah loves not aggressors.

What is your objection? This verse alone shows that ISIS/Al-Qaeda/Boko Haram/Al Shabab are anti-Quranic monsters. In fact, they are financed, trained and armed by CIA, whose prized assets they are.

(2:191) (but if they keep on fighting) Subdue them wherever you find them. And drive them out from where they have driven you out. For, oppression, cruelty and persecution are even more destructive than the killing in battle. ......

That's plain common sense. I do not know what you are objecting to. Similar comments apply to the other passages you mention. Please use an authentic translation used by Muslims, not a fraudulent one put together by Islam-hating Jews and Christians.

Popular Islam, that is, the "religion" based on sources outside the Quran, has been influenced by Zoroastrianism, Judaism and Christianity through the trickery of spreading false stories about Messenger Muhammad long after he had died. These stories were collected by men who came from the erstwhile Persian empire and published them some 250-300 years after the death of Allah's Messenger in 'Hadith' collections. These books are the main source of popular Islam. Unless these books are cleaned up, true Islam will remain buried in the Quran, the Word of God which cannot be changed.

I have to say you show little understanding of what Islam is. Please read the following blog, which contains links to two further blogs in the penultimate paragraph. These three pieces will give you a good idea of what Islam really is.

I am not sure what you mean by "misplacing context". Porn is porn in any context. It is particularly revolting when it shows up in Hadith books or in Jewish/Christian scriptures. The licentiousness and incestuous conduct of Old Testament prophets stands in stark contrast with the nobility of Messengers in the Quran. In my opinion, the "horrors" of the Old Testament are so gross and repellant that they must be thrown out of the books as unsuitable material.

okmich said...

I consider this a quick display of defense for the Koran.
I have different site that all say the same thing for the Koran but you fault their translation.... so Boko Haram is using a faulty translation too?

You openly without much context application fault and condemn the OT but I call out just a few verses of the Koran and you are all so defensive?

Doesn't that show the bias I always talked about?

Don't defend the Koran just as I don't defend the bible... let them defend themselves.

Sakib Ahmad said...

Dear okmich,

Do you not see that using a distorted translation of the Quran by anonymous people is wrong? My advice to you is never to use a translation if you do not know the name of the translator. It is almost certainly misleading and there is a hidden agenda behind it.

You did NOT quote any verse of the Quran, you simply referred to some verses and dropped dark hints about them. I quoted a couple of verses to point out how wrong you were. Be honest please.

In relation to OT "porn" you keep talking about "context" but do not explain what that context is. For example, explain the "context" of this mass murder of male children and older women that Moses ordered:

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

I do think the Bible is incapable of defending itself. It is the priest class that has indoctrinated people to such an extent that they become incapable of protesting against the porn and violence to be found in the pages of the Bible.

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